WEBVTT NOTE duration:"00:12:53" NOTE recognizability:0.839 NOTE language:en-us NOTE Confidence: 0.84077608 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.009 Deputy Mayor, thank you for doing this. NOTE Confidence: 0.84077608 00:00:02.010 --> 00:00:03.455 I really do appreciate you NOTE Confidence: 0.84077608 00:00:03.455 --> 00:00:04.900 taking the time for us. NOTE Confidence: 0.84077608 00:00:04.900 --> 00:00:06.876 I got to start with a question that NOTE Confidence: 0.84077608 00:00:06.876 --> 00:00:08.558 everybody on our team is wondering. NOTE Confidence: 0.84077608 00:00:08.560 --> 00:00:09.940 Why is the police chief not NOTE Confidence: 0.84077608 00:00:09.940 --> 00:00:11.270 here doing this interview? NOTE Confidence: 0.827206390909091 00:00:12.450 --> 00:00:13.890 Eric, you know the police chief NOTE Confidence: 0.827206390909091 00:00:13.890 --> 00:00:15.060 doesn't do interviews with you. NOTE Confidence: 0.804418004 00:00:16.240 --> 00:00:18.610 OK. Well, why will he do it with our station? NOTE Confidence: 0.802888036666667 00:00:18.940 --> 00:00:21.454 I, the police chief, does interviews NOTE Confidence: 0.802888036666667 00:00:21.454 --> 00:00:23.799 with almost every reporter I've met. NOTE Confidence: 0.802888036666667 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:25.710 Reporters have done hard hitting NOTE Confidence: 0.802888036666667 00:00:25.710 --> 00:00:28.260 stories about him and about policing. NOTE Confidence: 0.802888036666667 00:00:28.260 --> 00:00:29.700 He does not sit down with NOTE Confidence: 0.802888036666667 00:00:29.700 --> 00:00:30.734 interviews with you. You know, NOTE Confidence: 0.802888036666667 00:00:30.734 --> 00:00:32.030 I always sit down with you. Eric, NOTE Confidence: 0.829013426923077 00:00:32.110 --> 00:00:33.790 could you arrange an interview NOTE Confidence: 0.829013426923077 00:00:33.790 --> 00:00:35.768 with him and somebody else on NOTE Confidence: 0.829013426923077 00:00:35.768 --> 00:00:37.028 our team? If I weren't there, NOTE Confidence: 0.7692218775 00:00:37.160 --> 00:00:39.225 I will contact the chief's office and NOTE Confidence: 0.7692218775 00:00:39.225 --> 00:00:41.768 MPD to see if I can arrange for that. NOTE Confidence: 0.827613321 00:00:41.780 --> 00:00:42.674 Great. And will you follow up NOTE Confidence: 0.827613321 00:00:42.674 --> 00:00:45.202 and let us know? Yeah. Perfect. NOTE Confidence: 0.827613321 00:00:45.202 --> 00:00:47.004 Perfect. Were you concerned NOTE Confidence: 0.827613321 00:00:47.004 --> 00:00:48.950 with what you saw in the data? NOTE Confidence: 0.915531101428571 00:00:49.730 --> 00:00:51.615 Yeah, I think anyone should NOTE Confidence: 0.915531101428571 00:00:51.615 --> 00:00:53.056 be concerned whenever they NOTE Confidence: 0.915531101428571 00:00:53.056 --> 00:00:54.428 see a disproportionate impact. NOTE Confidence: 0.915531101428571 00:00:54.430 --> 00:00:56.500 A persons of color and the NOTE Confidence: 0.915531101428571 00:00:56.500 --> 00:00:57.880 justice system and policing. NOTE Confidence: 0.915531101428571 00:00:57.880 --> 00:00:59.630 My job is to look at it, NOTE Confidence: 0.915531101428571 00:00:59.630 --> 00:01:00.590 understand what's concerning, NOTE Confidence: 0.915531101428571 00:01:00.590 --> 00:01:01.870 but also more importantly, NOTE Confidence: 0.915531101428571 00:01:01.870 --> 00:01:02.818 understand what causes it NOTE Confidence: 0.915531101428571 00:01:02.818 --> 00:01:04.240 and what we can do about NOTE Confidence: 0.877773679545454 00:01:04.250 --> 00:01:06.632 it. Why would. African Americans be NOTE Confidence: 0.877773679545454 00:01:06.632 --> 00:01:10.529 frisked at a 7 times higher rate than white NOTE Confidence: 0.877773679545454 00:01:10.529 --> 00:01:13.629 people who are also stopped by police. NOTE Confidence: 0.820568047142857 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:16.576 I think the issues of questions about why NOTE Confidence: 0.820568047142857 00:01:16.576 --> 00:01:18.859 it's happening may relate to contacts, NOTE Confidence: 0.820568047142857 00:01:18.860 --> 00:01:21.290 but I think we have to pause and have NOTE Confidence: 0.820568047142857 00:01:21.290 --> 00:01:23.480 someone really look at those questions. NOTE Confidence: 0.820568047142857 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:24.576 Looking at the data, NOTE Confidence: 0.820568047142857 00:01:24.576 --> 00:01:26.220 it tells us what's happening in NOTE Confidence: 0.820568047142857 00:01:26.277 --> 00:01:28.143 ways that may not surprise people NOTE Confidence: 0.820568047142857 00:01:28.143 --> 00:01:29.387 anywhere in this country. NOTE Confidence: 0.820568047142857 00:01:29.390 --> 00:01:31.100 But I think for DC we have a chance NOTE Confidence: 0.820568047142857 00:01:31.100 --> 00:01:32.424 to understand why it's happening NOTE Confidence: 0.820568047142857 00:01:32.424 --> 00:01:34.250 and what we can do about it. NOTE Confidence: 0.836033145 00:01:34.620 --> 00:01:36.060 What can we do about it? NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:01:36.540 --> 00:01:38.745 Well, for starters we have to understand NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:01:38.745 --> 00:01:41.298 this data is a month long snapshot and NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:01:41.298 --> 00:01:43.620 we have to keep collecting information. NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:01:43.620 --> 00:01:45.933 What we can also do is be able to NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:01:45.933 --> 00:01:48.067 utilize other resources that we have. NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:01:48.070 --> 00:01:49.770 We have body camera footage NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:01:49.770 --> 00:01:50.790 of every interaction, NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:01:50.790 --> 00:01:52.652 which is something a lot of other NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:01:52.652 --> 00:01:53.750 jurisdictions may not have. NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:01:53.750 --> 00:01:54.950 So we have the chance to be able NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:01:54.950 --> 00:01:56.039 to look at the interactions, NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:58.910 to understand with training followed, NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:01:58.910 --> 00:01:59.870 was protocol followed, NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:01:59.870 --> 00:02:02.110 was the body of laws that govern NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:02:02.177 --> 00:02:04.307 policing followed and then also expand NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:02:04.307 --> 00:02:06.668 the conversation to be more than just. NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:02:06.670 --> 00:02:09.526 Releasing if there are laws that result in NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:02:09.526 --> 00:02:11.840 police lawfully following their training, NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:02:11.840 --> 00:02:13.490 if there are conditions in society NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:02:13.490 --> 00:02:14.972 that lead to police interacting NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:02:14.972 --> 00:02:16.934 with persons of color more often, NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:02:16.940 --> 00:02:18.578 we have to get to the bottom NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:02:18.578 --> 00:02:19.280 of those questions. NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:20.666 So looking at the data now, NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:02:20.670 --> 00:02:21.590 we know what's happening, NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:02:21.590 --> 00:02:23.262 but we really have to be able NOTE Confidence: 0.860466577619048 00:02:23.262 --> 00:02:24.487 to study to understand why. NOTE Confidence: 0.883269022105263 00:02:24.560 --> 00:02:26.114 Why does it seem like your office NOTE Confidence: 0.883269022105263 00:02:26.114 --> 00:02:27.643 and the Police Department did not NOTE Confidence: 0.883269022105263 00:02:27.643 --> 00:02:29.275 want this information to come out? NOTE Confidence: 0.821143893333333 00:02:29.480 --> 00:02:31.436 I don't agree with that characterization. NOTE Confidence: 0.821143893333333 00:02:31.440 --> 00:02:33.005 I've been pretty upfront from NOTE Confidence: 0.821143893333333 00:02:33.005 --> 00:02:34.860 the beginning of the near act. NOTE Confidence: 0.821143893333333 00:02:34.860 --> 00:02:36.694 I sent a letter right after the. NOTE Confidence: 0.821143893333333 00:02:36.700 --> 00:02:38.860 Iraq was passed that identified how NOTE Confidence: 0.821143893333333 00:02:38.860 --> 00:02:41.260 much investment it would take to really NOTE Confidence: 0.821143893333333 00:02:41.260 --> 00:02:43.360 be able to collect the wide breadth NOTE Confidence: 0.821143893333333 00:02:43.420 --> 00:02:45.460 of information once it got funded. NOTE Confidence: 0.821143893333333 00:02:45.460 --> 00:02:47.469 I had been very upfront about July NOTE Confidence: 0.821143893333333 00:02:47.469 --> 00:02:49.607 2019 being the date at which those NOTE Confidence: 0.821143893333333 00:02:49.607 --> 00:02:51.127 systems would be upgraded and NOTE Confidence: 0.821143893333333 00:02:51.127 --> 00:02:53.138 we can collect the information. NOTE Confidence: 0.821143893333333 00:02:53.140 --> 00:02:54.946 And at the first available point, NOTE Confidence: 0.821143893333333 00:02:54.950 --> 00:02:56.618 which is 4 weeks of data, NOTE Confidence: 0.821143893333333 00:02:56.620 --> 00:02:58.552 we didn't just make the data NOTE Confidence: 0.821143893333333 00:02:58.552 --> 00:02:59.518 available in summary, NOTE Confidence: 0.821143893333333 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:01.136 we put the raw data out there for NOTE Confidence: 0.821143893333333 00:03:01.136 --> 00:03:02.866 people to do their own analysis with. NOTE Confidence: 0.838422667857143 00:03:02.880 --> 00:03:04.798 Yeah, but didn't you fight this in NOTE Confidence: 0.838422667857143 00:03:04.798 --> 00:03:07.030 court to try and delay this process? NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:07.310 --> 00:03:10.038 You know, I gave July 2019 as a NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:10.038 --> 00:03:12.249 deadline before there was a lawsuit. NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:12.250 --> 00:03:13.306 With the lawsuit, NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:13.306 --> 00:03:15.770 we stuck to a July 2019 deadline. NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:15.770 --> 00:03:17.802 I think the value of the lawsuit for NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:17.802 --> 00:03:19.836 this effort is that if we had slipped NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:19.836 --> 00:03:21.770 on our deadline that we gave publicly, NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:21.770 --> 00:03:23.130 if we didn't deliver it NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:23.130 --> 00:03:24.490 when we said we would, NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:24.490 --> 00:03:26.776 which is starting to make the change in July, NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:26.780 --> 00:03:27.930 and that slipped to August, NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:27.930 --> 00:03:28.902 September and beyond, NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:28.902 --> 00:03:30.846 there were some teeth that the NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:30.846 --> 00:03:32.433 courts would have to be able NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:32.433 --> 00:03:33.962 to make sure we follow through NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:33.962 --> 00:03:35.789 with what we said we would do. NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:35.790 --> 00:03:37.484 And I think that's how I saw. NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:37.490 --> 00:03:39.360 The value of this lawsuit. NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:39.360 --> 00:03:40.780 But I gave the deadline. NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:40.780 --> 00:03:41.980 We stuck to the deadline, NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:41.980 --> 00:03:43.404 and now we can have a be able NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:43.404 --> 00:03:44.844 to sit down and finally talk NOTE Confidence: 0.852919524285714 00:03:44.844 --> 00:03:46.134 about what the data says. NOTE Confidence: 0.775199217777778 00:03:46.220 --> 00:03:49.251 There's 11,000 police stops in a four NOTE Confidence: 0.775199217777778 00:03:49.251 --> 00:03:51.110 week period. Sound like a lot to you? NOTE Confidence: 0.775199217777778 00:03:51.110 --> 00:03:52.686 Because it sounds like a lot to me. NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:03:52.740 --> 00:03:55.876 There are people respond to that differently. NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:03:55.880 --> 00:04:00.245 The 11,000 was for me more than I thought, NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:00.250 --> 00:04:02.130 particularly because most of them NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:02.130 --> 00:04:03.776 were traffic stops. I've gone. NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:03.776 --> 00:04:05.840 I've been in this job for four years NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:05.903 --> 00:04:07.607 and I often get the accusation. NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:07.610 --> 00:04:10.250 That police don't do enough revision 0 in NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:10.250 --> 00:04:12.568 pulling people over for traffic violation. NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:12.570 --> 00:04:14.670 And then I saw thousands of traffic NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:14.670 --> 00:04:17.229 stops and a one month period of time. NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:17.230 --> 00:04:19.984 That was more than I thought and is another NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:19.984 --> 00:04:22.330 part of the follow up we want to do. NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:22.330 --> 00:04:24.864 Because when 70% of the cars stopped NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:24.864 --> 00:04:27.568 are out of state licensed cars, NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:27.570 --> 00:04:29.820 we want to understand from a NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:29.820 --> 00:04:30.945 Traffic Safety standpoint, NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:30.950 --> 00:04:33.098 are we, are we enforcing traffic NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:33.098 --> 00:04:34.530 laws fairly and appropriately? NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:34.530 --> 00:04:36.906 Are we deploying officers in the right way? NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:36.910 --> 00:04:37.870 And now we can have. NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:37.870 --> 00:04:39.976 That conversation not based on hearsay, NOTE Confidence: 0.832258984285714 00:04:39.980 --> 00:04:41.569 but based on real facts and data. NOTE Confidence: 0.6894123675 00:04:41.620 --> 00:04:44.508 Why didn't the police chief tell the diski? NOTE Confidence: 0.6894123675 00:04:44.510 --> 00:04:47.006 Why did the police chief tell the DC NOTE Confidence: 0.6894123675 00:04:47.006 --> 00:04:48.894 Council that there were about 1000 NOTE Confidence: 0.6894123675 00:04:48.894 --> 00:04:51.439 stop and frisks in a year when their NOTE Confidence: 0.6894123675 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:53.819 own data shows the numbers far exceed NOTE Confidence: 0.863344732222222 00:04:53.830 --> 00:04:56.494 that? We didn't have the data at the time, NOTE Confidence: 0.863344732222222 00:04:56.500 --> 00:04:57.680 so you have to understand, NOTE Confidence: 0.863344732222222 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:00.020 before we made this upgrade we NOTE Confidence: 0.863344732222222 00:05:00.020 --> 00:05:02.180 had a fragmented data system, NOTE Confidence: 0.863344732222222 00:05:02.180 --> 00:05:03.868 it incomplete data system, NOTE Confidence: 0.863344732222222 00:05:03.868 --> 00:05:05.134 and more importantly, NOTE Confidence: 0.863344732222222 00:05:05.140 --> 00:05:07.876 one that only captured incidents of. NOTE Confidence: 0.863344732222222 00:05:07.880 --> 00:05:08.741 Stop and frisk, NOTE Confidence: 0.863344732222222 00:05:08.741 --> 00:05:11.174 so you can have one incident and maybe NOTE Confidence: 0.863344732222222 00:05:11.174 --> 00:05:13.328 five people stopped in the incident. NOTE Confidence: 0.863344732222222 00:05:13.330 --> 00:05:16.114 Now we have a data system that really NOTE Confidence: 0.863344732222222 00:05:16.114 --> 00:05:17.356 captures every individual's interaction. NOTE Confidence: 0.863344732222222 00:05:17.356 --> 00:05:18.994 And so at the time when NOTE Confidence: 0.863344732222222 00:05:18.994 --> 00:05:20.120 you're asked to question, NOTE Confidence: 0.863344732222222 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:22.010 you try to give the best information, NOTE Confidence: 0.863344732222222 00:05:22.010 --> 00:05:23.910 best answer you have with NOTE Confidence: 0.863344732222222 00:05:23.910 --> 00:05:25.050 the information available, NOTE Confidence: 0.863344732222222 00:05:25.050 --> 00:05:27.136 we just now have much more robust NOTE Confidence: 0.863344732222222 00:05:27.136 --> 00:05:28.240 information available to us. NOTE Confidence: 0.836089106666667 00:05:28.290 --> 00:05:29.990 So to be clear, NOTE Confidence: 0.836089106666667 00:05:29.990 --> 00:05:32.115 you now acknowledge that pre. NOTE Confidence: 0.836089106666667 00:05:32.120 --> 00:05:33.608 So to be clear, you now NOTE Confidence: 0.836089106666667 00:05:33.608 --> 00:05:34.910 acknowledge that prior to this, NOTE Confidence: 0.836089106666667 00:05:34.910 --> 00:05:36.644 the department had no handle on NOTE Confidence: 0.836089106666667 00:05:36.644 --> 00:05:38.420 how many people it was. Actually, NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:05:38.740 --> 00:05:40.210 I wouldn't say no handle. NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:05:40.210 --> 00:05:41.910 We had very incomplete information. NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:05:41.910 --> 00:05:43.500 Inaccurate information, right? NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:05:43.500 --> 00:05:45.240 We had limited information, NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:47.058 which is inaccurate. NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:05:47.060 --> 00:05:48.160 I call it limited. NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:49.260 You caught an accurate. NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:05:49.260 --> 00:05:51.212 It undercounted because by NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:05:51.212 --> 00:05:53.652 the design of the system, NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:05:53.660 --> 00:05:56.125 we were not capturing each NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:05:56.125 --> 00:05:58.097 individual instance of someone NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:05:58.097 --> 00:06:00.260 getting stopped and searched. NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:06:00.260 --> 00:06:02.140 We'd capture the whole incident, NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:06:02.140 --> 00:06:03.775 and you could have one NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:06:03.775 --> 00:06:05.083 person who experienced that. NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:06:05.090 --> 00:06:06.670 You could have five people NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:06:06.670 --> 00:06:07.618 who experienced that, NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:06:07.620 --> 00:06:09.690 and we had no way of knowing if it was. NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:06:09.690 --> 00:06:10.401 One or five. NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:06:10.401 --> 00:06:12.732 So we knew at the time we had an NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:06:12.732 --> 00:06:14.562 incomplete viewpoint of it and now NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:06:14.562 --> 00:06:16.796 we have a much more complete one. NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:18.168 And I think that's the value NOTE Confidence: 0.87403316 00:06:18.168 --> 00:06:19.550 of this upgrade that happened. NOTE Confidence: 0.860075886666667 00:06:19.860 --> 00:06:22.476 When we found numbers that say NOTE Confidence: 0.860075886666667 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:24.455 93% of African Americans were NOTE Confidence: 0.860075886666667 00:06:24.455 --> 00:06:26.430 frisked or African Americans were NOTE Confidence: 0.860075886666667 00:06:26.499 --> 00:06:28.564 frisked at a 7 times higher rate NOTE Confidence: 0.860075886666667 00:06:28.564 --> 00:06:30.579 than than than Caucasian people. NOTE Confidence: 0.860075886666667 00:06:30.580 --> 00:06:32.452 We we were surprised, NOTE Confidence: 0.860075886666667 00:06:32.452 --> 00:06:33.856 stunned and concerned. NOTE Confidence: 0.860075886666667 00:06:33.860 --> 00:06:36.756 None of that data ends up in this NOTE Confidence: 0.860075886666667 00:06:36.756 --> 00:06:39.590 report that the city put out. Why not? NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:06:40.390 --> 00:06:42.133 Because we knew we wanted to put NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:06:42.133 --> 00:06:44.109 all the data out there to be that, NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:06:44.110 --> 00:06:45.814 we wanted to put all the data out NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:06:45.814 --> 00:06:47.389 there and let everyone else ask, NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:06:47.390 --> 00:06:49.210 ask, ask questions and look NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:06:49.210 --> 00:06:51.030 at the data for answers. NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:06:51.030 --> 00:06:53.574 The report itself speaks to issues NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:06:53.574 --> 00:06:56.430 of race and policing very directly. NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:06:56.430 --> 00:06:59.688 We have a pie chart that calls out very NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:06:59.688 --> 00:07:02.065 directly the percent of individuals NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:07:02.065 --> 00:07:04.963 from different races who are stopped, NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:07:04.970 --> 00:07:07.434 who are frisked so and then in NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:07:07.434 --> 00:07:10.248 the text we directly talk about. NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:07:10.250 --> 00:07:12.555 Policing and communities of colors NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:07:12.555 --> 00:07:14.860 involvement and the disproportionate impact NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:07:14.929 --> 00:07:17.119 of communities of color and policing. NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:19.290 So I think we addressed it directly NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:07:19.290 --> 00:07:20.220 in the report, NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:07:20.220 --> 00:07:23.736 but the report itself is about. NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:07:23.740 --> 00:07:25.654 The report itself is a slice NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:07:25.654 --> 00:07:27.640 of a much larger data set, NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:07:27.640 --> 00:07:29.495 and we had to make some choices. NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:07:29.500 --> 00:07:31.999 And I think because we knew the NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:07:31.999 --> 00:07:33.769 conversation rightfully would go to NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:07:33.769 --> 00:07:35.359 issues around race and policing, NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:36.774 we made an attempt in the report NOTE Confidence: 0.880080215333333 00:07:36.774 --> 00:07:38.228 to call it out with visuals. NOTE Confidence: 0.914577755 00:07:38.320 --> 00:07:41.296 But don't you think that some people could? NOTE Confidence: 0.914577755 00:07:41.300 --> 00:07:43.015 Isn't it fair to think that this NOTE Confidence: 0.914577755 00:07:43.015 --> 00:07:44.760 may be kind of whitewashed this NOTE Confidence: 0.914577755 00:07:44.760 --> 00:07:46.662 whole deal when you're not getting NOTE Confidence: 0.914577755 00:07:46.662 --> 00:07:48.660 at the heart of some of the more NOTE Confidence: 0.914577755 00:07:48.660 --> 00:07:50.898 troubling numbers that we were able NOTE Confidence: 0.914577755 00:07:50.898 --> 00:07:53.190 to find without much difficulty? NOTE Confidence: 0.832285435333333 00:07:53.460 --> 00:07:55.332 You know, the nerat calls for NOTE Confidence: 0.832285435333333 00:07:55.332 --> 00:07:57.074 police to collect the information NOTE Confidence: 0.832285435333333 00:07:57.074 --> 00:07:59.143 as we're collecting it, we, NOTE Confidence: 0.832285435333333 00:07:59.143 --> 00:08:00.908 before there was any lawsuit, NOTE Confidence: 0.832285435333333 00:08:00.910 --> 00:08:02.420 said from the very beginning, NOTE Confidence: 0.832285435333333 00:08:02.420 --> 00:08:04.706 we were going to make the raw data available. NOTE Confidence: 0.832285435333333 00:08:04.710 --> 00:08:06.740 If I had any interest in a NOTE Confidence: 0.832285435333333 00:08:06.740 --> 00:08:08.679 whitewash or a glossing over, NOTE Confidence: 0.832285435333333 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:10.750 you wouldn't have put the raw data out there. NOTE Confidence: 0.832285435333333 00:08:10.750 --> 00:08:11.947 And that's what we want to do, NOTE Confidence: 0.832285435333333 00:08:11.950 --> 00:08:14.350 to start conversations like this. NOTE Confidence: 0.832285435333333 00:08:14.350 --> 00:08:17.014 My job as a city official is to be NOTE Confidence: 0.832285435333333 00:08:17.014 --> 00:08:19.638 transparent and to look at some of the NOTE Confidence: 0.832285435333333 00:08:19.638 --> 00:08:21.542 concerning data bluntly and directly NOTE Confidence: 0.832285435333333 00:08:21.542 --> 00:08:23.707 and understand why it's happening. NOTE Confidence: 0.832285435333333 00:08:23.710 --> 00:08:24.500 What we can do about NOTE Confidence: 0.852275895 00:08:24.510 --> 00:08:26.570 it. OK, since you guys came all the way down, NOTE Confidence: 0.852275895 00:08:26.570 --> 00:08:29.540 I wanna say 2 minutes for Jordan. Yeah, NOTE Confidence: 0.852275895 00:08:29.540 --> 00:08:32.720 but look at me when you answer, OK? So NOTE Confidence: 0.806110421666667 00:08:32.730 --> 00:08:33.930 so you can ask any question. NOTE Confidence: 0.806110421666667 00:08:33.930 --> 00:08:35.549 We were talking in the car, so one of NOTE Confidence: 0.806110421666667 00:08:35.549 --> 00:08:37.250 the things we haven't reported on yet, NOTE Confidence: 0.806110421666667 00:08:37.250 --> 00:08:39.400 but that is in raw data, easily found. NOTE Confidence: 0.806110421666667 00:08:39.400 --> 00:08:42.320 A minute took a minute to find it. NOTE Confidence: 0.806110421666667 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:44.080 Over this one month period, NOTE Confidence: 0.806110421666667 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:46.270 there were 372 black juveniles stopped NOTE Confidence: 0.806110421666667 00:08:46.270 --> 00:08:49.369 and they were six white juveniles stopped. NOTE Confidence: 0.806110421666667 00:08:49.370 --> 00:08:51.230 And out of those black jewels, NOTE Confidence: 0.806110421666667 00:08:51.230 --> 00:08:53.250 153 of them were frisked. NOTE Confidence: 0.806110421666667 00:08:53.250 --> 00:08:55.364 One of the white juveniles were frisked. NOTE Confidence: 0.806110421666667 00:08:55.370 --> 00:08:55.962 I know you're hearing NOTE Confidence: 0.806110421666667 00:08:55.962 --> 00:08:56.702 this for the first time. NOTE Confidence: 0.806110421666667 00:08:56.710 --> 00:08:58.570 Does that, does that trouble you? NOTE Confidence: 0.806110421666667 00:08:58.570 --> 00:09:00.160 That's more than a disparity. NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:00.490 --> 00:09:03.194 There are, whether I'm in DC or unfortunately NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:03.194 --> 00:09:05.207 almost any city in this country. NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:05.210 --> 00:09:06.798 Questions about policing and NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:06.798 --> 00:09:09.180 communities of color is one that NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:09.250 --> 00:09:11.270 is rightfully front and center. NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:11.270 --> 00:09:13.020 I'm concerned anytime I hear data like NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:13.020 --> 00:09:15.048 the one that you just mentioned to me. NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:15.050 --> 00:09:16.625 And I think that's why we have NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:16.625 --> 00:09:18.407 to get the raw data out there. NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:18.410 --> 00:09:20.822 People will have different looks at it and we NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:20.822 --> 00:09:23.189 have to understand what we can do about it. NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:23.190 --> 00:09:25.158 Part of the what part of what I NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:25.158 --> 00:09:27.356 want to highlight is that the NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:27.356 --> 00:09:28.996 conversation around this data, NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:30.585 I think we'll start rightfully NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:30.585 --> 00:09:31.853 with policing about tactics, NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:31.860 --> 00:09:32.444 about training, NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:32.444 --> 00:09:34.196 about the culture of the department, NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:37.096 but expand beyond that as it needs to, NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:37.100 --> 00:09:39.248 to understand what's the context in NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:39.248 --> 00:09:41.635 which this happens and what can we do NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:41.635 --> 00:09:44.217 as a society and as a city to be able NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:44.217 --> 00:09:46.357 to help make the interactions of police? NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:46.357 --> 00:09:48.856 And are some of our poorest and NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:48.856 --> 00:09:50.074 most disadvantaged communities NOTE Confidence: 0.791931597857143 00:09:50.074 --> 00:09:52.279 less frequent and less negative NOTE Confidence: 0.861876634 00:09:52.290 --> 00:09:53.082 considering these? NOTE Confidence: 0.861876634 00:09:53.082 --> 00:09:55.854 Huge challenges that face this city when NOTE Confidence: 0.861876634 00:09:55.854 --> 00:09:58.429 it comes to these racial imbalances. NOTE Confidence: 0.861876634 00:09:58.430 --> 00:10:00.089 Is Chief Newsham the right person to NOTE Confidence: 0.861876634 00:10:00.089 --> 00:10:01.690 be leading the Police Department? NOTE Confidence: 0.861876634 00:10:01.690 --> 00:10:04.340 Absolutely. What makes you say that? NOTE Confidence: 0.771349942857143 00:10:05.330 --> 00:10:07.857 Chief Newsham's been in DC for decades. NOTE Confidence: 0.771349942857143 00:10:07.860 --> 00:10:09.524 He understands and has NOTE Confidence: 0.771349942857143 00:10:09.524 --> 00:10:11.188 worked in every community. NOTE Confidence: 0.771349942857143 00:10:11.190 --> 00:10:13.745 He's worked east of the Anacostia River. NOTE Confidence: 0.771349942857143 00:10:13.750 --> 00:10:15.350 He's worked in some of NOTE Confidence: 0.771349942857143 00:10:15.350 --> 00:10:16.310 the toughest communities. NOTE Confidence: 0.771349942857143 00:10:16.310 --> 00:10:18.578 He's in the community more than anyone NOTE Confidence: 0.771349942857143 00:10:18.578 --> 00:10:20.647 else that I've met in this city, NOTE Confidence: 0.771349942857143 00:10:20.650 --> 00:10:22.050 short of the mayor. NOTE Confidence: 0.771349942857143 00:10:22.050 --> 00:10:24.150 And he understands the role in NOTE Confidence: 0.771349942857143 00:10:24.226 --> 00:10:26.606 which policing has in communities. NOTE Confidence: 0.771349942857143 00:10:26.610 --> 00:10:28.290 He's seen it at his best, NOTE Confidence: 0.771349942857143 00:10:28.290 --> 00:10:29.430 and when it's at its worst, NOTE Confidence: 0.771349942857143 00:10:29.430 --> 00:10:30.430 he knows how to change it. NOTE Confidence: 0.817596887857143 00:10:30.490 --> 00:10:32.722 Last question what are you going to do to NOTE Confidence: 0.817596887857143 00:10:32.722 --> 00:10:34.779 change these somewhat disturbing numbers? NOTE Confidence: 0.9003907564 00:10:35.760 --> 00:10:37.278 The first thing we're going to NOTE Confidence: 0.9003907564 00:10:37.278 --> 00:10:39.082 do in recognizing that this is a NOTE Confidence: 0.9003907564 00:10:39.082 --> 00:10:40.322 very difficult challenge is we're NOTE Confidence: 0.9003907564 00:10:40.322 --> 00:10:42.109 going to bring in an outside party, NOTE Confidence: 0.9003907564 00:10:42.110 --> 00:10:45.155 an outside firm, to study it independently, NOTE Confidence: 0.9003907564 00:10:45.160 --> 00:10:47.080 to give them access to body camera footage, NOTE Confidence: 0.9003907564 00:10:47.080 --> 00:10:48.792 to give them access to all the data NOTE Confidence: 0.9003907564 00:10:48.792 --> 00:10:50.473 that we have and make recommendations NOTE Confidence: 0.9003907564 00:10:50.473 --> 00:10:52.522 about what does fair look like in NOTE Confidence: 0.9003907564 00:10:52.522 --> 00:10:54.114 the city and what can we do when, NOTE Confidence: 0.9003907564 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:56.040 if things are not fair, NOTE Confidence: 0.9003907564 00:10:56.040 --> 00:10:57.759 to be able to have a city that reflects NOTE Confidence: 0.9003907564 00:10:57.759 --> 00:10:59.238 the values that we know we have? NOTE Confidence: 0.9003907564 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:00.212 Is there anything you want to NOTE Confidence: 0.9003907564 00:11:00.212 --> 00:11:02.900 say that I didn't ask you? NOTE Confidence: 0.9003907564 00:11:02.900 --> 00:11:03.310 Olivia, NOTE Confidence: 0.883191024545455 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:04.700 is there anything you wanted to NOTE Confidence: 0.883191024545455 00:11:04.700 --> 00:11:06.010 address that I didn't address? NOTE Confidence: 0.880105687142857 00:11:10.150 --> 00:11:11.950 Probably if if we could go back to NOTE Confidence: 0.880105687142857 00:11:11.950 --> 00:11:13.438 anything it would just be making NOTE Confidence: 0.75997104125 00:11:13.450 --> 00:11:15.466 sure that on the question about what we NOTE Confidence: 0.912872556666667 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:17.465 want to do that we're talking about NOTE Confidence: 0.912872556666667 00:11:17.465 --> 00:11:19.642 tackling some of the root causes he he NOTE Confidence: 0.912872556666667 00:11:19.642 --> 00:11:21.218 got to that he didn't necessarily think NOTE Confidence: 0.86583127 00:11:21.230 --> 00:11:22.198 that way, but he. NOTE Confidence: 0.843947845 00:11:23.040 --> 00:11:25.050 That's the age-old. NOTE Confidence: 0.843947845 00:11:25.050 --> 00:11:26.720 Kind of debate, NOTE Confidence: 0.843947845 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:28.400 and we heard from a viewer. NOTE Confidence: 0.843947845 00:11:28.400 --> 00:11:29.620 Don't cherry pick the data, NOTE Confidence: 0.843947845 00:11:29.620 --> 00:11:32.240 Eric, I'm not criticizing you, NOTE Confidence: 0.843947845 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:34.700 but look, on MPD's website, NOTE Confidence: 0.843947845 00:11:34.700 --> 00:11:36.996 9 out of 10 people are African-American. NOTE Confidence: 0.843947845 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:38.816 What do you expect the numbers to say? NOTE Confidence: 0.843947845 00:11:38.820 --> 00:11:41.557 Is that OK? Is that the explanation? NOTE Confidence: 0.843947845 00:11:41.560 --> 00:11:43.086 This just is the way it is. NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:11:44.290 --> 00:11:46.554 Things that we make when we talk about, NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:11:46.560 --> 00:11:48.905 when we look at data like this NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:11:48.905 --> 00:11:51.789 and we try to have conversations. NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:11:51.790 --> 00:11:55.118 Sitting here on TV in people's living rooms, NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:11:55.120 --> 00:11:58.080 we focus on policing and we never expand NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:00.606 the conversation to some of the root causes NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:00.606 --> 00:12:03.049 that the lead the police interaction. NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:03.050 --> 00:12:04.037 Police officers called, NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:04.037 --> 00:12:06.740 often as a result of a 911 call. NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:06.740 --> 00:12:10.566 And that 901 call can come at the tail NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:10.566 --> 00:12:13.078 end of a long series of tragedies and NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:13.078 --> 00:12:15.088 sometimes failures and breakdowns in NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:15.088 --> 00:12:17.776 how we distribute our wealth in this NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:17.776 --> 00:12:20.135 country and access to jobs and access NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:20.140 --> 00:12:22.546 to housing and the police officer. NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:22.550 --> 00:12:24.280 Comes with the body camera, NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:24.280 --> 00:12:26.620 and they're the focal point of NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:26.620 --> 00:12:27.400 that interaction. NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:27.400 --> 00:12:29.696 And I'm not trying to dilute the NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:29.696 --> 00:12:31.479 importance of looking at policing, NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:33.160 but I'm suggesting though is that NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:33.160 --> 00:12:34.696 we be limiting the conversation NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:34.696 --> 00:12:36.120 more than we should. NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:38.178 If we stopped that policing and NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:38.178 --> 00:12:40.212 we didn't broaden that to include NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:40.212 --> 00:12:41.707 what else in our city, NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:41.710 --> 00:12:44.214 what else in our country leads to something NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:44.214 --> 00:12:46.377 that when people look at this data, NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:46.380 --> 00:12:47.764 they're concerned with but NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:47.764 --> 00:12:49.148 they're not surprised by? NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:49.150 --> 00:12:50.198 And that's something everyone NOTE Confidence: 0.81156264125 00:12:50.198 --> 00:12:51.770 should look at how we change. NOTE Confidence: 0.7397122 00:12:53.090 --> 00:12:53.000 You could. Thanks a lot.