WEBVTT NOTE duration:"00:05:35" NOTE recognizability:0.859 NOTE language:en-us NOTE Confidence: 0.744205605 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.880 Tom, three general thoughts on the NOTE Confidence: 0.744205605 00:00:02.880 --> 00:00:05.770 results of the Stop, stop data. NOTE Confidence: 0.812498019230769 00:00:06.540 --> 00:00:07.950 I mean, generally this, we've been NOTE Confidence: 0.812498019230769 00:00:07.950 --> 00:00:09.640 working on this for three years now. NOTE Confidence: 0.812498019230769 00:00:09.640 --> 00:00:11.338 I mean, we passed the law NOTE Confidence: 0.812498019230769 00:00:11.338 --> 00:00:13.240 in 2016 to have this data. NOTE Confidence: 0.812498019230769 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:14.619 We funded it two years in a NOTE Confidence: 0.812498019230769 00:00:14.619 --> 00:00:16.000 row to get the work done. NOTE Confidence: 0.812498019230769 00:00:16.000 --> 00:00:17.504 And so I'm glad that it's finally here, NOTE Confidence: 0.812498019230769 00:00:17.510 --> 00:00:19.484 but it's frustrating that it's taken this NOTE Confidence: 0.812498019230769 00:00:19.484 --> 00:00:21.650 long and there's a reason we want the data. NOTE Confidence: 0.812498019230769 00:00:21.650 --> 00:00:23.318 It helps us paint a picture NOTE Confidence: 0.812498019230769 00:00:23.318 --> 00:00:24.980 of how policing is working. NOTE Confidence: 0.812498019230769 00:00:24.980 --> 00:00:27.680 I think it helps inform both the public and NOTE Confidence: 0.812498019230769 00:00:27.680 --> 00:00:30.410 the government about how this is working. NOTE Confidence: 0.812498019230769 00:00:30.410 --> 00:00:31.750 And then also should help NOTE Confidence: 0.812498019230769 00:00:31.750 --> 00:00:32.822 inform policing moving forward. NOTE Confidence: 0.831548370909091 00:00:32.900 --> 00:00:33.970 Does anything trouble you about NOTE Confidence: 0.831548370909091 00:00:33.970 --> 00:00:35.420 what you see in the numbers? NOTE Confidence: 0.87486069 00:00:36.360 --> 00:00:38.340 It's a lot of stops. NOTE Confidence: 0.87486069 00:00:38.340 --> 00:00:39.940 So just on the on the sheer number NOTE Confidence: 0.87486069 00:00:39.940 --> 00:00:41.540 of it we should keep in mind. NOTE Confidence: 0.87486069 00:00:41.540 --> 00:00:44.318 Every single stop is an opportunity NOTE Confidence: 0.87486069 00:00:44.320 --> 00:00:46.342 for either a positive or negative NOTE Confidence: 0.87486069 00:00:46.342 --> 00:00:48.340 interaction and perception of the public. NOTE Confidence: 0.87486069 00:00:48.340 --> 00:00:50.392 And if we want to focus on public safety, NOTE Confidence: 0.87486069 00:00:50.400 --> 00:00:52.024 we want the public to be able to NOTE Confidence: 0.87486069 00:00:52.024 --> 00:00:54.021 have a positive interaction and a NOTE Confidence: 0.87486069 00:00:54.021 --> 00:00:55.557 positive perception with police. NOTE Confidence: 0.87486069 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:57.504 And so we have to understand each one of NOTE Confidence: 0.87486069 00:00:57.504 --> 00:00:59.417 those stops is powerful in its own right, NOTE Confidence: 0.87486069 00:00:59.420 --> 00:01:01.160 no matter what the outcome is. NOTE Confidence: 0.87486069 00:01:01.160 --> 00:01:02.306 So it's a lot of stops. NOTE Confidence: 0.785591844 00:01:02.460 --> 00:01:05.176 Were you surprised that 93% of frisk NOTE Confidence: 0.785591844 00:01:05.176 --> 00:01:06.766 happened on the African Americans? NOTE Confidence: 0.795047964 00:01:07.390 --> 00:01:09.433 I think we've heard in anecdote as I've held NOTE Confidence: 0.795047964 00:01:09.433 --> 00:01:11.170 hearings and talked with community members, NOTE Confidence: 0.795047964 00:01:11.170 --> 00:01:14.124 that has been a relatively consistent theme, NOTE Confidence: 0.795047964 00:01:14.130 --> 00:01:15.943 is that we believe that the stops NOTE Confidence: 0.795047964 00:01:15.943 --> 00:01:18.161 are going to have a very high number NOTE Confidence: 0.795047964 00:01:18.161 --> 00:01:19.770 of our black residents in DC. NOTE Confidence: 0.795047964 00:01:19.770 --> 00:01:21.372 That's also why it's so important to have the NOTE Confidence: 0.795047964 00:01:21.372 --> 00:01:22.868 data that we don't rely just on anecdote, NOTE Confidence: 0.795047964 00:01:22.870 --> 00:01:24.795 but we have the data to then NOTE Confidence: 0.795047964 00:01:24.795 --> 00:01:26.070 help inform decision making. NOTE Confidence: 0.795047964 00:01:26.070 --> 00:01:27.848 And that 90% is incredibly high and NOTE Confidence: 0.795047964 00:01:27.848 --> 00:01:29.569 it's important for us now to dig NOTE Confidence: 0.795047964 00:01:29.569 --> 00:01:30.925 beyond that and understand what it NOTE Confidence: 0.795047964 00:01:30.978 --> 00:01:32.595 means behind it and what it also NOTE Confidence: 0.795047964 00:01:32.595 --> 00:01:34.109 means for public safety and policing. NOTE Confidence: 0.750678254 00:01:34.190 --> 00:01:35.700 One number we found that NOTE Confidence: 0.750678254 00:01:35.700 --> 00:01:37.486 I think is even more. Yes. NOTE Confidence: 0.750678254 00:01:37.486 --> 00:01:39.142 Is that when you're talking about NOTE Confidence: 0.750678254 00:01:39.142 --> 00:01:41.179 all people who are stopped by police, NOTE Confidence: 0.750678254 00:01:41.180 --> 00:01:42.605 white and black. NOTE Confidence: 0.750678254 00:01:42.605 --> 00:01:45.930 Black people were frisked at a 7 NOTE Confidence: 0.750678254 00:01:46.035 --> 00:01:49.527 times higher rate than white people. NOTE Confidence: 0.750678254 00:01:49.530 --> 00:01:50.498 Why would that be? NOTE Confidence: 0.911799345 00:01:51.600 --> 00:01:55.040 I think that's why we get the data. NOTE Confidence: 0.911799345 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:57.218 When you think about each stop, NOTE Confidence: 0.911799345 00:01:57.220 --> 00:01:58.132 we can think about, NOTE Confidence: 0.911799345 00:01:58.132 --> 00:01:59.344 for example, Mr Cottingham, NOTE Confidence: 0.911799345 00:01:59.344 --> 00:02:01.983 how many times has an individual stopped? NOTE Confidence: 0.911799345 00:02:01.990 --> 00:02:03.665 How many times does someone NOTE Confidence: 0.911799345 00:02:03.665 --> 00:02:05.800 have that pat down that frisk? NOTE Confidence: 0.911799345 00:02:05.800 --> 00:02:08.863 And then how many times does that shape NOTE Confidence: 0.911799345 00:02:08.863 --> 00:02:10.378 their interaction with the police? NOTE Confidence: 0.911799345 00:02:10.380 --> 00:02:11.744 And Mr Cottingham's case, NOTE Confidence: 0.911799345 00:02:11.744 --> 00:02:12.980 for example, you know, NOTE Confidence: 0.911799345 00:02:12.980 --> 00:02:14.355 he had his son watching, NOTE Confidence: 0.911799345 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:16.790 being traumatized by what he saw. NOTE Confidence: 0.911799345 00:02:16.790 --> 00:02:18.757 And of course, from the city standpoint, NOTE Confidence: 0.911799345 00:02:18.760 --> 00:02:20.662 we now have settled a massive NOTE Confidence: 0.911799345 00:02:20.662 --> 00:02:21.964 lawsuit each one of these. NOTE Confidence: 0.911799345 00:02:21.964 --> 00:02:23.440 Actions has a lot of power NOTE Confidence: 0.911799345 00:02:23.496 --> 00:02:25.266 and it comes back again to NOTE Confidence: 0.911799345 00:02:25.266 --> 00:02:26.446 public safety and policing. NOTE Confidence: 0.873684508666667 00:02:26.940 --> 00:02:29.588 Seven months ago Chief Newsham sat in front NOTE Confidence: 0.873684508666667 00:02:29.588 --> 00:02:32.457 of your committee and said the following. NOTE Confidence: 0.873684508666667 00:02:32.460 --> 00:02:33.945 There was a one year study on the number NOTE Confidence: 0.873684508666667 00:02:33.945 --> 00:02:35.691 of stop and frisk reports that were done NOTE Confidence: 0.873684508666667 00:02:35.691 --> 00:02:37.089 by the Metropolitan Police Department. NOTE Confidence: 0.873684508666667 00:02:37.090 --> 00:02:38.994 And my recollection at the time of NOTE Confidence: 0.873684508666667 00:02:38.994 --> 00:02:40.585 the reviewing of that report is NOTE Confidence: 0.873684508666667 00:02:40.585 --> 00:02:42.599 that over a one year period is that NOTE Confidence: 0.873684508666667 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:44.151 there were 1000, is that correct? NOTE Confidence: 0.873684508666667 00:02:44.151 --> 00:02:45.573 Kelly checks with Kelly stop and NOTE Confidence: 0.873684508666667 00:02:45.573 --> 00:02:46.849 frisk reports that were done. NOTE Confidence: 0.893562988888889 00:02:46.920 --> 00:02:49.920 We now know that Chief Newsham NOTE Confidence: 0.893562988888889 00:02:49.920 --> 00:02:51.420 was absolutely inaccurate. NOTE Confidence: 0.893562988888889 00:02:51.420 --> 00:02:53.070 Do you have? Concerns about that. NOTE Confidence: 0.820535394 00:02:54.100 --> 00:02:56.837 I do because it either represents that NOTE Confidence: 0.820535394 00:02:56.837 --> 00:02:58.972 stops have somehow dramatically increased NOTE Confidence: 0.820535394 00:02:58.972 --> 00:03:02.094 from that hearing or that we weren't NOTE Confidence: 0.820535394 00:03:02.094 --> 00:03:04.352 being shared 100% accurate information. NOTE Confidence: 0.820535394 00:03:04.352 --> 00:03:07.360 But no matter what the number is, NOTE Confidence: 0.820535394 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:09.576 what's most important is that we have data. NOTE Confidence: 0.820535394 00:03:09.580 --> 00:03:11.228 That's the whole point of the near act, NOTE Confidence: 0.820535394 00:03:11.230 --> 00:03:12.938 is that we have to have objective, NOTE Confidence: 0.820535394 00:03:12.940 --> 00:03:14.392 transparent, accountable data because NOTE Confidence: 0.820535394 00:03:14.392 --> 00:03:17.222 we should never rely on just one person NOTE Confidence: 0.820535394 00:03:17.222 --> 00:03:19.280 or one agency to give us information. NOTE Confidence: 0.820535394 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:20.711 This is a great way for us to be NOTE Confidence: 0.820535394 00:03:20.711 --> 00:03:22.158 able to hold the city accountable, NOTE Confidence: 0.820535394 00:03:22.160 --> 00:03:23.917 for the public to hold us accountable. NOTE Confidence: 0.820535394 00:03:23.920 --> 00:03:25.362 And to make sure that we are NOTE Confidence: 0.820535394 00:03:25.362 --> 00:03:26.796 doing everything we can to improve NOTE Confidence: 0.820535394 00:03:26.796 --> 00:03:27.824 public safety and policing, NOTE Confidence: 0.90555825 00:03:27.890 --> 00:03:29.498 when we first started our series, NOTE Confidence: 0.90555825 00:03:29.500 --> 00:03:32.100 we looked at six years of stop data, NOTE Confidence: 0.90555825 00:03:32.100 --> 00:03:34.756 stop and frisk data from DC police and NOTE Confidence: 0.90555825 00:03:34.756 --> 00:03:37.778 found 21,000 or so stop and frisk. NOTE Confidence: 0.90555825 00:03:37.780 --> 00:03:40.336 The most recent data would indicate NOTE Confidence: 0.90555825 00:03:40.336 --> 00:03:43.181 that there are 15 to 20,000 stops NOTE Confidence: 0.90555825 00:03:43.181 --> 00:03:46.140 in a one year period were we not NOTE Confidence: 0.90555825 00:03:46.140 --> 00:03:47.920 recording the data properly back NOTE Confidence: 0.90555825 00:03:47.920 --> 00:03:49.870 then or have our police change NOTE Confidence: 0.90555825 00:03:49.932 --> 00:03:51.708 the way they do business now. NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:03:52.500 --> 00:03:54.175 I'm not convinced that we've NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:03:54.175 --> 00:03:55.850 ever reported it accurately or NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:03:55.911 --> 00:03:57.559 recorded it accurately again. NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:03:57.560 --> 00:03:59.360 That gets to the whole point of why the NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:00.980 Council passed this law three years ago, NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:00.980 --> 00:04:03.014 while we've worked so hard to have it funded, NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:03.020 --> 00:04:03.916 to have it implemented, NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:03.916 --> 00:04:05.520 and then now finally have the data. NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:07.194 And now that we have roughly NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:07.194 --> 00:04:08.660 one month's worth of data, NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:08.660 --> 00:04:10.836 we can estimate what that means for annual. NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:11.860 But we're going to make NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:11.860 --> 00:04:12.880 sure we track these numbers. NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:12.880 --> 00:04:14.290 But I think it's also important NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:14.290 --> 00:04:15.715 that while we certainly want to NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:15.715 --> 00:04:17.023 have some time passed to really NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:17.023 --> 00:04:18.318 develop the trend and the data, NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:18.320 --> 00:04:19.478 we also don't want to dismiss NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:19.478 --> 00:04:20.721 what we see already because there NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:20.721 --> 00:04:21.999 are concerns about it and it NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:21.999 --> 00:04:23.140 should help inform the steps. NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:23.140 --> 00:04:24.964 MPD takes and the city takes right now, NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:24.970 --> 00:04:26.818 where do we go from here? NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:26.820 --> 00:04:28.082 From the Council's perspective, NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:28.082 --> 00:04:29.996 I do want to make sure that we're looking NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:29.996 --> 00:04:31.301 at multiple months worth of data so NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:31.301 --> 00:04:32.878 that we see the trend lines that that NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:32.878 --> 00:04:34.216 then helps inform our policy making. NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:34.220 --> 00:04:35.942 But I think it's really important that NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:35.942 --> 00:04:38.091 MPD and the city doesn't just dismiss the NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:38.091 --> 00:04:40.189 data that we already have for one month. NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:40.190 --> 00:04:41.429 They don't need to wait for the NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:41.429 --> 00:04:42.440 Council or anyone else to act. NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:42.440 --> 00:04:44.134 So I think that let's use this NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:44.134 --> 00:04:45.712 information to help inform being a a NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:45.712 --> 00:04:47.711 safe and a just city and make sure that NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:47.711 --> 00:04:49.475 we're also looking at the trend lines NOTE Confidence: 0.906736147857143 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:51.088 of how we improve policing overall. NOTE Confidence: 0.82535643 00:04:52.750 --> 00:04:54.800 Once this information out there, NOTE Confidence: 0.886068502916667 00:04:55.350 --> 00:04:57.126 I think that everybody is going to be NOTE Confidence: 0.886068502916667 00:04:57.126 --> 00:04:58.847 pushing to make sure this data is out NOTE Confidence: 0.886068502916667 00:04:58.847 --> 00:05:00.499 there so it's not up to one person. NOTE Confidence: 0.886068502916667 00:05:00.500 --> 00:05:02.894 That's why we pass a law to some degree. NOTE Confidence: 0.886068502916667 00:05:02.894 --> 00:05:04.490 It doesn't matter who the chief is. NOTE Confidence: 0.886068502916667 00:05:04.490 --> 00:05:05.920 We need to make sure NOTE Confidence: 0.886068502916667 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:07.064 that data is transparent, NOTE Confidence: 0.886068502916667 00:05:07.070 --> 00:05:08.804 that the information is accountable to NOTE Confidence: 0.886068502916667 00:05:08.804 --> 00:05:10.890 the public and to the policymakers. NOTE Confidence: 0.886068502916667 00:05:10.890 --> 00:05:12.290 That's what's going to be really important. NOTE Confidence: 0.821338972666667 00:05:12.300 --> 00:05:14.180 Do you have confidence that the police chief NOTE Confidence: 0.821338972666667 00:05:14.180 --> 00:05:16.240 is doing a good job for Washington, DC NOTE Confidence: 0.837407413076923 00:05:16.770 --> 00:05:18.233 as part of my job from oversight NOTE Confidence: 0.837407413076923 00:05:18.233 --> 00:05:19.729 is to make sure that we, we, NOTE Confidence: 0.837407413076923 00:05:19.729 --> 00:05:20.982 we see how they use this data NOTE Confidence: 0.837407413076923 00:05:20.982 --> 00:05:22.380 to then help inform the policing NOTE Confidence: 0.837407413076923 00:05:22.380 --> 00:05:23.620 and the next steps they'll NOTE Confidence: 0.872305102857143 00:05:23.630 --> 00:05:25.485 take. It's not a yes or no. NOTE Confidence: 0.840308036666667 00:05:27.710 --> 00:05:29.264 I'm going to work with the chief NOTE Confidence: 0.840308036666667 00:05:29.264 --> 00:05:31.198 and work with MPD to make sure that NOTE Confidence: 0.840308036666667 00:05:31.198 --> 00:05:32.649 we hold them accountable and they NOTE Confidence: 0.840308036666667 00:05:32.649 --> 00:05:34.161 do a good good job for our city NOTE Confidence: 0.840308036666667 00:05:34.161 --> 00:05:35.000 to help work on public safety.